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{{Character|title1=The Tracklayer's Union|location=[[The Hinterlands]]
{{Character|title1=The Tracklayer's Union|location=[[The Hinterlands]]<br>
[[Moloch Street]]|allegiance=[[Revolutionaries]]|notable_members=[[Furnace Ancona]] (leader)
[[London]]|allegiance=[[Furnace Ancona]] (leader)|notable_members=[[Cornelius]] (formerly)|
[[Cornelius]] (leader, conditional)<br>
image1=<gallery>
[[January]] (leader, conditional)}}
Tracklayeruntried.png|Untried
Tracklayerobstinate.png|Obstinate
Tracklayertough.png|Tough
Tracklayernocturnal.png|Nocturnal
</gallery>|caption1=A tracklayer.}}<blockquote>''"We did all the tracks from Moloch Street to the Iron Face. Commissioned by Hell as they didn't want to get their hands dirty. And you may have heard there's a Young Person's Steam Train where Mrs Plenty's Carnival gave rides for a time? It's shut down now, to be sure, but not down to our workmanship. You won't find anyone that wants to take the work away from us."''<ref>{{Citation|https://fallenlondon.wiki/wiki/Ask_about_their_past_work|Ask about their past work|Fallen London|}}</ref></blockquote>


The Tracklayer's Union is the guild of workers responsible for building the [[Moloch Street]] railroad and the [[The Great Hellbound Railway|Great Hellbound Railway]]. They are divided into three [[Revolutionaries|revolutionary]] factions: the Liberationists, the Prehistoricists, and the Emancipationists.<sup>[1]</sup>
The '''Tracklayer's Union''' is an organization that aims to provide better lives and working conditions for [[London]]'s rail workers.__forcetoc__


The Liberationists seek the [[The Liberation of Night|Liberation of Night]]: the destruction of all laws, including the laws of nature. Their goals are best represented by [[January]], a potential leader of the Union.<sup>[2]</sup>
== Workers of the Rails ==
<blockquote>''"Three things. There's the surveying, the track-laying, and the station-building. First we have to decide where the track should go, then we put it there, and then build a station."''<ref>{{Citation|https://fallenlondon.wiki/wiki/Ask_how_her_team_works|Ask how her team works|Fallen London|}}</ref></blockquote>
[[File:Railway.png|alt=A locomotive.|thumb|[[The Great Hellbound Railway]]]]
The TLU is a guild of railway workers led by [[Furnace Ancona]].<ref name = "meet furnace">{{Citation|https://fallenlondon.wiki/wiki/Submit_forms_in_triplicate|Submit forms in triplicate|Fallen London|}} ''"I'm 'Furnace' Ancona, I run the Tracklayers' Union, and if you want to put down any rail out of London, it's me you need to be dealing with."''</ref> They perform a variety of jobs, including laying track, building stations, surveying land,<ref>{{Citation|https://fallenlondon.wiki/wiki/Ask_how_her_team_works|Ask how her team works|Fallen London|}} ''"There's the surveying, the track-laying, and the station-building."''</ref> and even dynamiting.<ref>{{Citation|https://fallenlondon.wiki/wiki/Get_a_good_look_at_her_helmet|Get a good look at her helmet|Fallen London|}} ''""We do a good bit of dynamiting [...]""''</ref> Their projects include the [[Moloch Line]], a now-decommissioned ride at [[Mrs Plenty's Carnival]],<ref>{{Citation|https://fallenlondon.wiki/wiki/Ask_about_their_past_work|Ask about their past work|Fallen London|}} ''""We did all the tracks from Moloch Street to the Iron Face," [...] a Young Person's Steam Train where Mrs Plenty's Carnival gave rides for a time? It's shut down [...] not down to our workmanship."''</ref> and more recently, the [[Great Hellbound Railway]].<ref name = "meet furnace"/> They allow workers of all species and nationalities to join,<ref>{{Citation|https://fallenlondon.wiki/wiki/Inquire_into_the_origins_of_her_name|Inquire into the origins of her name|Fallen London|}} ''"[...] The Tracklayers' Union welcomes all workers of all species and nationalities. Rubberies, Clay Men, folks from somewhere on the Surface [...] Makes no difference to us.""''</ref> and their work is considered top-notch.<ref>{{Citation|https://fallenlondon.wiki/wiki/Ask_about_their_past_work|Ask about their past work|Fallen London|}} ''"[...] It's shut down now, to be sure, but not down to our workmanship. You won't find anyone that wants to take the work away from us.""''</ref> They refuse to stand for disrespect, and their readiness to strike under unfair work conditions<ref>{{Citation|https://fallenlondon.wiki/wiki/Express_some_surprise|Express some surprise|Fallen London|}} ''""You may put an amiable face [...] if you offer the workers candies and trinkets while denying their rights, you are not our ally. [...]"''</ref><ref>{{Citation|https://fallenlondon.wiki/wiki/An_impediment|An impediment|Fallen London|}} ''""The Union has voted to strike," [...] "In reaction to the way the Board has treated us. Our work is unsafe and badly paid, and the directors have shown extreme self-interest.""''</ref> has gained them infamy among investors.<ref>{{Citation|https://fallenlondon.wiki/wiki/The_Tracklayer%27s_Union|The Tracklayer's Union|Fallen London|}} ''"You've heard of the Union only in brisk references from the rest of the Great Hellbound Railway board. [...] "We'd like to make you our go-between with the Union." Or, once: "We'll leave it up to you how you want to manage that viper-nest of Revolutionaries.""''</ref>


The Prehistoricists seek to use the [[The Shapeling Arts|Shapeling Arts]] to create creatures to help laborers and oppose the [[The Masters of the Bazaar|Masters]]. Their goals are best represented by [[Cornelius]], another potential leader of the Union.<sup>[3]</sup>
== Factions ==
<blockquote>''"The Tracklayer's Union have to be kept on side. Harder than it sounds, since there's at least three party factions inside the Union. Some of 'em are Revolutionaries. Some are more interested in the Treachery of Shapes."''<ref>{{Citation|https://fallenlondon.wiki/wiki/Demand_a_frank_explanation_of_the_risks|Demand a frank explanation of the risks|Fallen London|}}</ref></blockquote>


Unlike the other two factions, the Emancipationists do not have a greater underlying plan. They are focused directly on the health and survival of workers in the near future. Their goals are best represented by Furnace Ancona, the first leader of the Union.<sup>[4]</sup>
The Union is split into three major factions, each with their own respective views and goals.<ref name = "shapes">{{Citation|https://fallenlondon.wiki/wiki/Demand_a_frank_explanation_of_the_risks|Demand a frank explanation of the risks|Fallen London|}} ''""The Tracklayer's Union have to be kept on side. Harder than it sounds, since there's at least three party factions inside the Union. Some [...] are Revolutionaries. Some are more interested in the Treachery of Shapes."''</ref> Far from united, they are held together only by [[Furnace Ancona|Furnace Ancona]] and her leadership.<ref>{{Citation|https://fallenlondon.wiki/wiki/Plans_and_plots|Plans and plots|Fallen London|}} ''"Furnace Ancona is missing. The Tracklayers' Union needs leadership, and without her, they're far from unified. [...]"''</ref>


== References ==
=== The Liberationists ===
<blockquote>''"If you want to contribute to that particular cause, there's those in the Tracklayers' Union that would be accepting of additional donations. Items that explode, for instance."''<ref>{{Citation|https://fallenlondon.wiki/wiki/Express_your_commitment_to_the_Liberation_of_Night|Express your commitment to the Liberation of Night|Fallen London|}}</ref></blockquote>
 
The '''Liberationists''' are aligned with the [[Revolutionaries]] that pursue the [[Liberation of Night]] - the destruction of light and law.<ref>{{Citation|https://fallenlondon.wiki/wiki/Supporting_the_Liberationist_Tracklayers|Supporting the Liberationist Tracklayers|Fallen London|}} ''"You've sided with the Tracklayers' Union in the cause of darkness."''</ref> They supply dynamite and heavier explosives to their anarchist allies,<ref>{{Citation|https://fallenlondon.wiki/wiki/Support_the_Liberationists_and_build_track_through_open_city|Support the Liberationists and build track through open city|Fallen London|}} ''"[...] offer a little extra Gunpowder to those Tracklayers who desire the Liberation of Night. [...] a day later you receive in the post a perfectly black piece of card, which perhaps doubles as a thank-you note [...]"''</ref><ref>{{Citation|https://fallenlondon.wiki/wiki/Support_the_Liberationists_and_build_track_through_plains_land|Support the Liberationists and build track through plains land|Fallen London|}} ''"There aren't any hills that need moving, but you can pass these along to the right parties anyhow."''</ref> and strongly oppose the [[Masters]]. According to a tracklayer, while they do seek revolution, many of its members are not truly committed to the Liberation itself.<ref>{{Citation|https://fallenlondon.wiki/wiki/Ask_him_about_the_Liberationists_(Lackey)|Ask him about the Liberationists (Lackey)|Fallen London|}} ''"[...] the Liberationist Tracklayers, they're just [...] dynamiting things and sticking it to the Masters. Their blood's up, [...] they wouldn't like the true dark, [...] don't think it's coming. But that's only most of them. There's a few that mean it, all right.""''</ref>
 
=== The Prehistoricists ===
<blockquote>''"You know, there are them on the team who think they're going to breed a kind of monster with railway track for tusks. Some kind of beast with railway spikes for claws. Something that would just stroll across the Neath laying down metal while it walks. They've got all kinds of ideas."''<ref>{{Citation|https://fallenlondon.wiki/wiki/Lay_track_through_hilly_land_and_supply_the_experiments_of_the_amateur_Palaeontologists_(Evenlode)|Lay track through hilly land and supply the experiments of the amateur Palaeontologists (Evenlode)|Fallen London|}}</ref></blockquote>
[[File:Cornelius.png|alt=A bandaged man holding a bone-knife.|thumb|[[Cornelius]]]]
The '''Prehistoricists''' aim to engineer creatures to take the place of humans in doing hard labor. For instance, they envision a beast that not only lays tracks, but also thrives on doing such work. They interpret of the [[Great Chain of Being]] as guaranteeing a creature to do any job or task, thus justifying their goals.<ref name=":1">{{Citation|https://fallenlondon.wiki/wiki/Ask_her_about_the_Prehistoricists_(Furnace)|Ask her about the Prehistoricists (Furnace)|Fallen London|}} ''""They think [...] "If there's a job to be done [...] the Chain should guarantee there's some creature that wants that job and thrives in it. Seeing that most of us do not take to working in a factory [...] "The first prehistoricist was my former partner," [...] "Cornelius. [...] Gone now. The new ones spend their dinner break swapping fantasies of the track-laying mastodons they're all going to be riding, [...]"''</ref>
 
This group was founded by [[Cornelius]], a former leader of the TLU,<ref name=":1"/> but has become disorganized since his disappearance.<ref>{{Citation|https://fallenlondon.wiki/wiki/Ask_her_to_let_you_know_if_she_hears_anything_about_Cornelius|Ask her to let you know if she hears anything about Cornelius|Fallen London|}} ''"Any information about his possible re-formation of the Prehistoricists would certainly be interesting."''</ref> Regardless, many tracklayers still value ancient bones and fossils as a key to their studies, and retain significant influence in the Union.<ref>{{Citation|https://fallenlondon.wiki/wiki/Lay_track_through_marsh_and_keep_watch_for_any_buried_bones_as_you_go_(After_Discovery)|Lay track through marsh and keep watch for any buried bones as you go (After Discovery)|Fallen London|}} ''"A crowd gathers in Ealing Garden to watch the bones go by. The Prehistoricist tracklayers throw their hats in the air."''</ref><ref name=":2">{{Citation|https://fallenlondon.wiki/wiki/Discuss_the_work_stoppage_with_Furnace|Discuss the work stoppage with Furnace|Fallen London|}} ''"[...] Some of my Union think the animals of the past are our future. Or possibly our replacements. They want to make giant tracklaying creatures and train em up. This kind of finding gets 'em too riled to work, [...]"''</ref> This group may also be interested in the [[Treacheries#Shapes|Treachery of Shapes]],<ref name = "shapes"/> but the details are unclear.
 
=== The Emancipationists ===
<blockquote>''"According to Furnace, it is a pragmatic approach that does not embrace any single ideology. And her Emancipationist settlement is going to be determined by the shared will of the participants, and it's not up to her to plan it in advance."''<ref>{{Citation|https://fallenlondon.wiki/wiki/Ask_him_about_the_Emancipationists_(Cornelius)|Ask him about the Emancipationists (Cornelius)|Fallen London|}}</ref></blockquote>
[[File:Furnace.png|alt=A woman wearing a large diving helmet.|thumb|[[Furnace Ancona]]]]
Founded and represented by [[Furnace Ancona]] herself, the '''Emancipationists''' aim to liberate all beings from oppression while emphasizing pragmatism and inclusivity regardless of ideology.<ref>{{Citation|https://fallenlondon.wiki/wiki/Supporting_the_Emancipationist_Tracklayers|Supporting the Emancipationist Tracklayers|Fallen London|}} ''"You've sided with the Tracklayers' Union in wanting to free all beings from unfair oppression."''</ref><ref>{{Citation|https://fallenlondon.wiki/wiki/Ask_him_about_the_Emancipationists_(Cornelius)|Ask him about the Emancipationists (Cornelius)|Fallen London|}} ''""According to Furnace," says Cornelius, [...] "it is a pragmatic approach that does not embrace any single ideology. [...] her Emancipationist settlement [...]"''</ref> They strive to keep morale high and workers well-fed,<ref>{{Citation|https://fallenlondon.wiki/wiki/Lay_track_across_the_white_flats_and_keep_your_company_well_fed|Lay track across the white flats and keep your company well fed|Fallen London|}} ''"The food lightens their spirits, however, and makes them more keen to go on."''</ref> as well as fund tracklayers' retirements.<ref>{{Citation|https://fallenlondon.wiki/wiki/Lay_track_through_plains_and_set_aside_housing_for_the_workforce|Lay track through plains and set aside housing for the workforce|Fallen London|}} ''"[...] "Most of the Tracklayers couldn't afford a plot of land within the city limits," [...] "This is a very kind donation to their retirement. [...]"''</ref>


# https://fallenlondon.wiki/wiki/The_Next_Stretch_of_Track#Open_City
The Emancipationists' ultimate dream is to build a city in the [[Hinterlands]] ruled by the people,<ref>{{Citation|https://fallenlondon.wiki/wiki/Inspired_Emancipationist_Propaganda|Inspired Emancipationist Propaganda|Fallen London|}} ''"You have inspired painters and sculptors with the dream of a town for workers."''</ref><ref>{{Citation|https://fallenlondon.wiki/wiki/Ask_him_about_the_Emancipationists_(Cornelius)|Ask him about the Emancipationists (Cornelius)|Fallen London|}} ''"[...] her Emancipationist settlement is going to be determined by the shared will of the participants, [...]"''</ref> free from the [[Masters]]' influence.<ref>{{Citation|https://fallenlondon.wiki/wiki/Ask_about_her_goals|Ask about her goals|Fallen London|}} ''"When the Railway is done, we can have our own town, somewhere out along the line, and the Masters can leave us alone.""''</ref> However, some tracklayers are skeptical of this goal, citing the potentially insurmountable logistics the project would require.<ref>{{Citation|https://fallenlondon.wiki/wiki/Ask_him_about_the_Emancipationists_(Lackey)|Ask him about the Emancipationists (Lackey)|Fallen London|}} ''""Listen," he says. "I don't want to build a new town out in the wasteland. Sounds a lot of work, and b---y cold." You have the impression he's said all this before."''</ref>
# https://fallenlondon.wiki/wiki/Conversation_with_January
# https://fallenlondon.wiki/wiki/Speaking_with_Cornelius
# https://fallenlondon.wiki/wiki/Conversation_with_Furnace


== References ==
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Latest revision as of 19:09, 19 May 2024

"We did all the tracks from Moloch Street to the Iron Face. Commissioned by Hell as they didn't want to get their hands dirty. And you may have heard there's a Young Person's Steam Train where Mrs Plenty's Carnival gave rides for a time? It's shut down now, to be sure, but not down to our workmanship. You won't find anyone that wants to take the work away from us."[1]

The Tracklayer's Union is an organization that aims to provide better lives and working conditions for London's rail workers.

Workers of the Rails[edit]

"Three things. There's the surveying, the track-laying, and the station-building. First we have to decide where the track should go, then we put it there, and then build a station."[2]

A locomotive.
The Great Hellbound Railway

The TLU is a guild of railway workers led by Furnace Ancona.[3] They perform a variety of jobs, including laying track, building stations, surveying land,[4] and even dynamiting.[5] Their projects include the Moloch Line, a now-decommissioned ride at Mrs Plenty's Carnival,[6] and more recently, the Great Hellbound Railway.[3] They allow workers of all species and nationalities to join,[7] and their work is considered top-notch.[8] They refuse to stand for disrespect, and their readiness to strike under unfair work conditions[9][10] has gained them infamy among investors.[11]

Factions[edit]

"The Tracklayer's Union have to be kept on side. Harder than it sounds, since there's at least three party factions inside the Union. Some of 'em are Revolutionaries. Some are more interested in the Treachery of Shapes."[12]

The Union is split into three major factions, each with their own respective views and goals.[13] Far from united, they are held together only by Furnace Ancona and her leadership.[14]

The Liberationists[edit]

"If you want to contribute to that particular cause, there's those in the Tracklayers' Union that would be accepting of additional donations. Items that explode, for instance."[15]

The Liberationists are aligned with the Revolutionaries that pursue the Liberation of Night - the destruction of light and law.[16] They supply dynamite and heavier explosives to their anarchist allies,[17][18] and strongly oppose the Masters. According to a tracklayer, while they do seek revolution, many of its members are not truly committed to the Liberation itself.[19]

The Prehistoricists[edit]

"You know, there are them on the team who think they're going to breed a kind of monster with railway track for tusks. Some kind of beast with railway spikes for claws. Something that would just stroll across the Neath laying down metal while it walks. They've got all kinds of ideas."[20]

A bandaged man holding a bone-knife.
Cornelius

The Prehistoricists aim to engineer creatures to take the place of humans in doing hard labor. For instance, they envision a beast that not only lays tracks, but also thrives on doing such work. They interpret of the Great Chain of Being as guaranteeing a creature to do any job or task, thus justifying their goals.[21]

This group was founded by Cornelius, a former leader of the TLU,[21] but has become disorganized since his disappearance.[22] Regardless, many tracklayers still value ancient bones and fossils as a key to their studies, and retain significant influence in the Union.[23][24] This group may also be interested in the Treachery of Shapes,[13] but the details are unclear.

The Emancipationists[edit]

"According to Furnace, it is a pragmatic approach that does not embrace any single ideology. And her Emancipationist settlement is going to be determined by the shared will of the participants, and it's not up to her to plan it in advance."[25]

A woman wearing a large diving helmet.
Furnace Ancona

Founded and represented by Furnace Ancona herself, the Emancipationists aim to liberate all beings from oppression while emphasizing pragmatism and inclusivity regardless of ideology.[26][27] They strive to keep morale high and workers well-fed,[28] as well as fund tracklayers' retirements.[29]

The Emancipationists' ultimate dream is to build a city in the Hinterlands ruled by the people,[30][31] free from the Masters' influence.[32] However, some tracklayers are skeptical of this goal, citing the potentially insurmountable logistics the project would require.[33]

References[edit]

  1. Ask about their past work, Fallen London
  2. Ask how her team works, Fallen London
  3. 3.0 3.1 Submit forms in triplicate, Fallen London "I'm 'Furnace' Ancona, I run the Tracklayers' Union, and if you want to put down any rail out of London, it's me you need to be dealing with."
  4. Ask how her team works, Fallen London "There's the surveying, the track-laying, and the station-building."
  5. Get a good look at her helmet, Fallen London ""We do a good bit of dynamiting [...]""
  6. Ask about their past work, Fallen London ""We did all the tracks from Moloch Street to the Iron Face," [...] a Young Person's Steam Train where Mrs Plenty's Carnival gave rides for a time? It's shut down [...] not down to our workmanship."
  7. Inquire into the origins of her name, Fallen London "[...] The Tracklayers' Union welcomes all workers of all species and nationalities. Rubberies, Clay Men, folks from somewhere on the Surface [...] Makes no difference to us.""
  8. Ask about their past work, Fallen London "[...] It's shut down now, to be sure, but not down to our workmanship. You won't find anyone that wants to take the work away from us.""
  9. Express some surprise, Fallen London ""You may put an amiable face [...] if you offer the workers candies and trinkets while denying their rights, you are not our ally. [...]"
  10. An impediment, Fallen London ""The Union has voted to strike," [...] "In reaction to the way the Board has treated us. Our work is unsafe and badly paid, and the directors have shown extreme self-interest.""
  11. The Tracklayer's Union, Fallen London "You've heard of the Union only in brisk references from the rest of the Great Hellbound Railway board. [...] "We'd like to make you our go-between with the Union." Or, once: "We'll leave it up to you how you want to manage that viper-nest of Revolutionaries.""
  12. Demand a frank explanation of the risks, Fallen London
  13. 13.0 13.1 Demand a frank explanation of the risks, Fallen London ""The Tracklayer's Union have to be kept on side. Harder than it sounds, since there's at least three party factions inside the Union. Some [...] are Revolutionaries. Some are more interested in the Treachery of Shapes."
  14. Plans and plots, Fallen London "Furnace Ancona is missing. The Tracklayers' Union needs leadership, and without her, they're far from unified. [...]"
  15. Express your commitment to the Liberation of Night, Fallen London
  16. Supporting the Liberationist Tracklayers, Fallen London "You've sided with the Tracklayers' Union in the cause of darkness."
  17. Support the Liberationists and build track through open city, Fallen London "[...] offer a little extra Gunpowder to those Tracklayers who desire the Liberation of Night. [...] a day later you receive in the post a perfectly black piece of card, which perhaps doubles as a thank-you note [...]"
  18. Support the Liberationists and build track through plains land, Fallen London "There aren't any hills that need moving, but you can pass these along to the right parties anyhow."
  19. Ask him about the Liberationists (Lackey), Fallen London "[...] the Liberationist Tracklayers, they're just [...] dynamiting things and sticking it to the Masters. Their blood's up, [...] they wouldn't like the true dark, [...] don't think it's coming. But that's only most of them. There's a few that mean it, all right.""
  20. Lay track through hilly land and supply the experiments of the amateur Palaeontologists (Evenlode), Fallen London
  21. 21.0 21.1 Ask her about the Prehistoricists (Furnace), Fallen London ""They think [...] "If there's a job to be done [...] the Chain should guarantee there's some creature that wants that job and thrives in it. Seeing that most of us do not take to working in a factory [...] "The first prehistoricist was my former partner," [...] "Cornelius. [...] Gone now. The new ones spend their dinner break swapping fantasies of the track-laying mastodons they're all going to be riding, [...]"
  22. Ask her to let you know if she hears anything about Cornelius, Fallen London "Any information about his possible re-formation of the Prehistoricists would certainly be interesting."
  23. Lay track through marsh and keep watch for any buried bones as you go (After Discovery), Fallen London "A crowd gathers in Ealing Garden to watch the bones go by. The Prehistoricist tracklayers throw their hats in the air."
  24. Discuss the work stoppage with Furnace, Fallen London "[...] Some of my Union think the animals of the past are our future. Or possibly our replacements. They want to make giant tracklaying creatures and train em up. This kind of finding gets 'em too riled to work, [...]"
  25. Ask him about the Emancipationists (Cornelius), Fallen London
  26. Supporting the Emancipationist Tracklayers, Fallen London "You've sided with the Tracklayers' Union in wanting to free all beings from unfair oppression."
  27. Ask him about the Emancipationists (Cornelius), Fallen London ""According to Furnace," says Cornelius, [...] "it is a pragmatic approach that does not embrace any single ideology. [...] her Emancipationist settlement [...]"
  28. Lay track across the white flats and keep your company well fed, Fallen London "The food lightens their spirits, however, and makes them more keen to go on."
  29. Lay track through plains and set aside housing for the workforce, Fallen London "[...] "Most of the Tracklayers couldn't afford a plot of land within the city limits," [...] "This is a very kind donation to their retirement. [...]"
  30. Inspired Emancipationist Propaganda, Fallen London "You have inspired painters and sculptors with the dream of a town for workers."
  31. Ask him about the Emancipationists (Cornelius), Fallen London "[...] her Emancipationist settlement is going to be determined by the shared will of the participants, [...]"
  32. Ask about her goals, Fallen London "When the Railway is done, we can have our own town, somewhere out along the line, and the Masters can leave us alone.""
  33. Ask him about the Emancipationists (Lackey), Fallen London ""Listen," he says. "I don't want to build a new town out in the wasteland. Sounds a lot of work, and b---y cold." You have the impression he's said all this before."